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00001 TOM Feb 20 volleys in flight at the cease-fire of the pop-philosophy war
00005 It seems that much discussion turns on points taken for granted at
00010 first exposure long ago: impossibility of direct reference. That
00015 is such a trivial thing it is useful for brilliant argumentation,
00020 but is best forgotten lest it impede conversation.
00021 Only philosophy has the time to make profundities of such trivia.
00022 Of course, we
00025 cannot point to a thing. We can suggest a set of experiments
00030 (look, touch, listen) which have reproducible results and we
00035 can store those results in a coherent way. To a certain extent
00040 we can communicate the results of experiments to other people,
00045 but not very accurately. At best we say "Look, now, there.
00050 Forever after, I mean something like that when I say orange."
00055 There are enormous difficulties in saying "similar", but we share
00060 the same meaning of similar, so saying "forever after" works.
00065 Let me repeat "a model is a computational structure which mimics
00070 the world", ie a model is intended to allow thought experiments.
00075 Thought experiments are safer, quicker, and more economical than
00080 blundering along.
00100 I do not understand what Yorick means when he says explanation.
00200 Does it mean substituting word strings for word strings? If so,
00300 how does the poor soul who receives this treatment know when to shut up,
00400 ie be satisfied with the explanation (if he perceives that is happening,
00500 he should shut up immediately, of course, and seek better company).
00600 And do you deny entirely reference in language? Do I or do I not
00700 have a structure "that orange" which refers to the particular orange
00800 which I have brought for lunch? There are two argumentative copouts
00900 to avoid:
00905 not all things are referential;
01000 reference cannot be infallible.
01005
01100 Clearly, many words or phrases do not refer to objects; they refer
01200 to models, which refer to other models. Some models have reference to
01300 objects.
01400 A robot must have a belief in objects in the world (in the above sense). This might seem
01500 just a useful self-delusion. It seems more fundamental in that it
01600 corresponds to a discrimination about validity of types of knowledge;
01700 touch/pain and manipulation seem primal-they do not seem equivalent
01800 to vision, hearing, etc. Solipsism does not seem very important; for
01900 a solipsist to function in a world like mine, he must use descriptions
02000 rather like mine, with all that entails.
02200 So reference is not infallible, but it is consistent and predictable
02300 (I actually can find that orange).